to bad

good luck johan

What the .... ?

Anyways, GL NaNiwa

comment from NaNiwa:

main reason i left was because off the money was VERY VERY VERY low and also i couldnt practise since rotti only Ladder Xyli ladder Rob ladder and Satiini poker. even tho the salary was extremely low i decided to stay there for a while but then at WCG Sweden fnatic refused to pay my hotel so... i had no choice

Here u can find it

Haha.. let me tell you the the truth to that whining little... ##%%$# because elroy is being politcal and i really cant be arsed any more.

First of all we offer to pay his travel and hotel to wcg sweden but we cant find a hotel so we ask him to book one as hes swedish but he whines to hell saying that i cant believe you didnt book the hotel bla bla bla.. ask any of our players we have always booked and paid for them to go to qualifiers.

We were also looking at the options for him to go to china and we offered to raise his salary to 350 dollars pay for his flights, accomodation and food while he was out there.. and he whines and says omg 350 dollars.... tommorrow i tell you if i stay in fnatic or not..

I'm sorry but fnatic is a family and we just can't tolerate idiots.

word!

Situation in the team doesn't look very good.

Actually I would disagree with you on that, the team is more united now, we're all relieved by his presence and everything is 100$ back on track. If at all anything, we were just under a lot of stress with his presence, not anymore.

100%? :D

haha yes 100% :P

Well like Sam said , fnatic is a family . And we live like a family , always together , always stay mannered , talk nicely etc. And if we want to be on top , we must play with players which we respect and like to see them near us . So thats why we kicked naniwa . We gave him chance but ... sometime ppl dont understand what they are losing . Hope naniwa understood what he lose . Anyway i wish him good luck and wish good luck his new team WITH HIM :) peace

robje is the man :)

sam talking shit as usual,Offered to pay me ? you gave me 21 dollar to find a hotel, For china deal i was supposed to go go with 600 for 6 months and in the end the deal i get is 350 for 3 months are you fucking kidding me or what

We clearly meant it to be 21$ for a hostel, since the CS team couldn't share a room with you. You were never told we'd pay you 600$ for 6 months, getting the visa for 6months was up to you not us. As for 350$ a month that was how much you would have needed, think we already discussed this out with you.

Don't go spreading lies. You flamed enuff when you were in fnatic, grow up a little already.

350 a month on top of hotel accomodation and food seems good to me in china where the average salary is like 200$ not including those three things.

Probably get a lot more working in Mc'donalds and hours to suit! Does 350 a month even hit minimum wage in Sweden?

wether not u believe that i would offer to take a break from school to go to china for 350$ for 3 months is pure logic noname so dont talk bullshit.. ofcourse it was 6 months and 500+ :)

You don't understand? Why the hell would i book ur visa? If you could have gotten 6months then good for you :D If not then bad for you.

Why would you expect us to baby sit you all the way?

did i say you would book my visa? you were the one who was REALLY slow fixing everything and in the end u reduced the primary salary i was supposed to get in china by atleast 200$

Then clearly we know whose fault it is ;)

the fault is YOURS _YOU_ did _NOT_ give me what YOU said you would so in what fucking way is this MY fault?

yeah I guess i agreed to play with 0$ and go to china and take a break from school oh wait............:)

This is fun.. we should kick people more often ;)

Literally or out of the team?

It's not so professional to talk about money and other managing stuff on your own website... Use IRC/MSN/Skype or whatsoever...

Yes.. normally we wouldn't.. but its done now, he kinda drew a lot of annoyance out of us.

Just forget it like don't look at the past ;]

Man! This seems like a real mess.. and it also seems that you've had some communication problems.. whether the problem was the sending or recieving part i can't tell with only this information.. :P

though it's rather interesting.. :P

For NGL and WC3L will you not be short on men ? I think you will have just enough man to compete, I hope you know what you are doing :).

And naniwa, with your skills you will find a team shortly I'm sure of it.

fnatic show tonight!

I just want to say that I logged specially to flame NANIWA. Man you are retarded shitkid. How stupid can you possibly be? Think about it, you are stupid and limited, you are worse than my dog, it responds to commands unlike you. You can't even translate them. You are pathetic player with a big mouth, and wichever team chooses to hire you must be aware of your low IQ. Furthermore I hate unthankful bitch with pimples on your face and hair like a tree. There are cosmetics for this stuff are you stupid or ugly. Fnatic has obviously being so patient towards you offering you something that half of China will never have and you stay see can't get it? Yes you are retarded, please respons to my post, I want to fight you verbally if not, you are retarded. Either way you are retarded, no mather how good you are at the game.

It's so boring to flame like that, naniwa you are stupid.

This is indeed some quality shit, nice to see how managment is getin' SOOO low and starting to flame and trying to justify the move they thought was a right decission :) If you have done smth, then you must realize it's smth you've done right, I don't think that ppl do things wrong, after they post that "After careful consideration" - you have have carefully considered it, why are you trying to justify it :D Just silly, but well, gl to Nani :) and lollero at fnatics' orgas ^^;;

No one's justifying anything, it's sad when players live with misconceptions.

gogo elroy!

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My thoughts.

What does it do to flame anyone here ? You don't need to flame people here, just do it via PM/MSN/Any messenger . The people you flame are person like you, they don't deserve public insults.
That's the way I see it :)

yo sam u might wana consider hiring a public relations manager or something, everything u say in public comes out looking like shit for fnatic

btw u can say anything u want about naniwa(it might even be true) fact remains fnatic.wc3 has a pretty high rotation of players and there is probably a reason

Xyligan Satiini and rotterdam have been in it over a year now :D the others may change but its not my wish for that to happen but rather unavoidable. Also i do not manage the wc3 team.. thats down to our wc3 managers which have been Elroy and Trimble.

who are u? :>
good choice fnatic =)

Yeah we shouldnt have let you go either, you are so active in wc3.

At first I think bad for fnatic, but then i red the comment from zr0 and then I think good for fnatic xD.

i dont see how ur comment has anything to do with this satiini. someone told me u started pokering, let me know if u need any help

You were talking about the rotation of players, you were one of those players, thats how I see it has alot to do with ur comment.... and no dont need help, I only play poker occasionally :p

oh right, no sure that was a valid decision and i told sam the moment he told me that i understand the reasoning. it still doesnt change the underlying reasons

Also by the past, fnatic has godt a triple price of money at the events.

Being paid to play a GAME which you like and enjoy and play for fnatic, what else do you need? Im pretty sure that he's still a kid or a fuckin retarded.

I think the way zro's come out and talked about it in public only makes him look more professional and is a clear statement how much effort he puts into this. Business dont grow from sitting at a seat at the end of a long table in a meeting acting prude, thats just television zapping reality :(

I think that the WarCraft 3 team has been nothing but troubles ever since it excists. With a few exceptions left out obviously.

Sam, you should know better than bitching with a player on your own website. You are still the 'big boss' of the company Fnatic. You could and should have solved this a lot more professional imo. I guess we all learn from our mistakes.

// Joris (former technical director & co-founder of Fnatic)

Ouch, that one hurted ..

Sizah I think you should not make comments when you have no idea of the situation. We have been very tolerant with this player over many weeks even though he has been rude to his team mates and as Sam says we believe in team spirit and unity. We believe in fair play, professionalism, respect for others and to be well mannered.
We could not allow Naniwa to be so openly critical and not respond when he was not telling the truth. We could have deleted his entries but we've let him speak.
A great team is a United team and I feel we have a great core unit now with Rotti, Xyligan, Rob and Satiini and maybe Abver :) Plus Noname is a superb Manager who cares for the players and is really working very well with everyone.
Fnatic will not tolerate bad behaviour. Lets move on and go team :)

I am not talking about the problems with Naniwa, as I indeed don't know anything about it. I am sure that you have a valid reason of removing him. I am not questioning your judgement on that. I am sure you made a good move with that, because Fnatic is indeed a family. Its good that you do not tolerate bad behaviour.

However, my comment is purely based on your actions of getting outside to the scene. I can also understand your anger, but there's different ways of reaching out to the community, like with a press release or an interview to clear things out. I am sure there's many media who would like to do you a favour with that, which would have been a more professional way of clearing things out.

so noname, if you need a good new ud (lvl 20 and 50%) CALL MEH!
PLUS you can pay me in clothing or shoes

what a freakin nice deal.

i don't think that fnatic has some million left for you ;(

it's too bad it came to this. I suppose lack of proper communication here. and sam.. give me 350 to play and i wont say anything bad hahah

:0

oh well! elroy for president :D

these arethe kinds of problems you face when you have a hyped up ego tripping child thinking he is professional and deserves more. its a shame as i am sure he is a good player.. but fnatic are a team that are close knit.

better off without methinks

ul situation :) this might be worse for naniwa's image then for fnatics

A lot's being said about how Sam responded, I think honestly both sides of the story need to be told and that's probably the only reason why Sam wrote what he did.

Being dignified and politically correct is great (look at my statement), elfittaja left fnatic and it wasn't fine with us but even if we did so talk in a news post we never said anything to him since he was kind enough not to flame us for what reasons he left. He could have also said "why I left fnatic" But instead chose not to.

Oh well at the end of the day, even this post doesn't matter since there will be flames after this too. Just know that no one in fnatic who has been in contact with him misses him in anyway.

I MISS THE WORLD TOUR. NONE OF THIS WHINEY BS.

Painkiller owned.

you cant speak on the internets like that ne more you have little gelleh to think of!

Good Luck getting your "united family" on LAN as two guys have probs getting visa aswell as a third doesnt show up on offline-playoffs. Might wanna consider recruiting some players? well, none of my business maybe but I was just curious. However, go rotti and GL naniwa :)

Well Fnatic surely did the right move droping Naniwa. Good luck to both side for their future.

Wow it took me quite a while to go through all these comments and since I havent been involved into the WC3 scene, I had to read some things twice. All I can say is that Sam is 100% a person to trust in and he wouldnt let any of our players down.

Fnatic is a family and we go through sunny but also rainy days.

the evidence that "professional" gaming doesnt excist :)
lol 800$ in 6 month.. sad

freedom of speech guys.

I want more :D this was fun heheheh

Make Peace, not hate.

make sex, not love

money money money -_-

there is still something, which suprise me.. I ever though fnatic, as zrO said, is some kind of family. And I personly consider this as one of the mainreasons for fnatic's succes. However now this turnes out.
If you have realy a serious disagreement and both site need a break, ok, but still do it as friends. Or try it at least.^^

bye bye nani, like we didnt know this would happen?

zr0 your the man, dont mind those bitches who dont know shit. He is just a spoiled (spoilt) brat.

ggL NaNiwa , u did correctly by my oppinion !!!! :)
U`ll find great team fast coz of ur skills.