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Dignitas recently got a forfeit loss to H2k in the playoffs of the ClanBase EuroCup, which caused a lot of controversion around the ClanBase organization.
Once one of the prominent and premier leagues for Call of Duty, ClanBase, is now making their name look worse and worse. Last season's teams are still waiting for their prizemoney and this season they managed to give Dignitas a forfeit loss due to Bas "SKO" Dirks having the wrong GUID. This seemed all right and according to the rules, untill the Dignitas team proved that it actually was Dirks playing with the IP's matching.
Things got even more shocking when it turned out that the ClanBase Call of Duty 4 Admin Robin "SpoX" de Hen is also a player of H2k in a different squad. Also adding to this that the H2k team couldn't provide the demo's that were asked by the Dignitas team, and in the ClanBase "rulebook" this should be a forfeit loss too. This causes a question, for me at least; is the power of H2k to big and biased in ClanBase and should the admins be replaced?
With all this said, Dignitas' captain Michael "Mick" Bradshaw got banned from ClanBase, due to "Repeatedly abused admins and other players even after several warnings. Also posted pornographic pictures". Even though Bradshaw his reaction might have been offensive, an unbiased and proper admin would understand this were all emotions talking. The part of "Also posted pornographic pictures" got removed, "because of a mix up his ban also mentioned porno for a little while, but that's been fixed and it never had any effect on the decision", an admin explained on the ClanBase forums. Another mix up, they seem to be full of it.
"CB handled the case very badly, we can prove it was SKO playing so the GUID shouldn't really come into it", Michael "Mick" Bradshaw explained. "As for banning me, I dont quite get it.. I never posted any pornographic images so I haven't got a clue why they have stated that I did, some say Slander", he continued to say.
Dignitas have decided to boycott the ClanBase EuroCup by not participate next season, as Fnatic did this season, and intend to continue doing. MeetYourMakers have also confirmed to boycott the league and most likely more teams will follow.
*UPDATE*
I just got a PM from a ClanBase admin who said Mick did post pornographic pictures. I won't post them on here, but I got links to the evidence. Mick also said very offensive things, and he feels like he should get a different treadment as he's in Dignitas, I quote: "We are DIGNITAS for (..) sake! You know how big dignitas are? Bigger than your mother's (..), and that is (..) big". I have to agree with banning Mick from ClanBase if this is all true, but Mick keeps denying and claim someone inside ClanBase have posted this.
If this is true, it still doesn't make up for the redicoulous forfeit loss, the biased admins and the prizemoney that still has to be send out from previous seasons.
I got this list from the TEK-9 forums, this are a few teams that still owe money from ClanBase:
*Note: This is the writer oppinion, Fnatic is not involved with this in any way other than the boycott of the Call of Duty 4 team.
Once one of the prominent and premier leagues for Call of Duty, ClanBase, is now making their name look worse and worse. Last season's teams are still waiting for their prizemoney and this season they managed to give Dignitas a forfeit loss due to Bas "SKO" Dirks having the wrong GUID. This seemed all right and according to the rules, untill the Dignitas team proved that it actually was Dirks playing with the IP's matching.
Things got even more shocking when it turned out that the ClanBase Call of Duty 4 Admin Robin "SpoX" de Hen is also a player of H2k in a different squad. Also adding to this that the H2k team couldn't provide the demo's that were asked by the Dignitas team, and in the ClanBase "rulebook" this should be a forfeit loss too. This causes a question, for me at least; is the power of H2k to big and biased in ClanBase and should the admins be replaced?
With all this said, Dignitas' captain Michael "Mick" Bradshaw got banned from ClanBase, due to "Repeatedly abused admins and other players even after several warnings. Also posted pornographic pictures". Even though Bradshaw his reaction might have been offensive, an unbiased and proper admin would understand this were all emotions talking. The part of "Also posted pornographic pictures" got removed, "because of a mix up his ban also mentioned porno for a little while, but that's been fixed and it never had any effect on the decision", an admin explained on the ClanBase forums. Another mix up, they seem to be full of it.
"CB handled the case very badly, we can prove it was SKO playing so the GUID shouldn't really come into it", Michael "Mick" Bradshaw explained. "As for banning me, I dont quite get it.. I never posted any pornographic images so I haven't got a clue why they have stated that I did, some say Slander", he continued to say.
Dignitas have decided to boycott the ClanBase EuroCup by not participate next season, as Fnatic did this season, and intend to continue doing. MeetYourMakers have also confirmed to boycott the league and most likely more teams will follow.
*UPDATE*
I just got a PM from a ClanBase admin who said Mick did post pornographic pictures. I won't post them on here, but I got links to the evidence. Mick also said very offensive things, and he feels like he should get a different treadment as he's in Dignitas, I quote: "We are DIGNITAS for (..) sake! You know how big dignitas are? Bigger than your mother's (..), and that is (..) big". I have to agree with banning Mick from ClanBase if this is all true, but Mick keeps denying and claim someone inside ClanBase have posted this.
If this is true, it still doesn't make up for the redicoulous forfeit loss, the biased admins and the prizemoney that still has to be send out from previous seasons.
I got this list from the TEK-9 forums, this are a few teams that still owe money from ClanBase:
- TeK-9 Networks LTD. €2700,-
- Team Dignitas €2000,-
- H2k.Qpad €1500,-
- TEAM-SPEEDLINK €1000,-
- LowLandLions €800,-
*Note: This is the writer oppinion, Fnatic is not involved with this in any way other than the boycott of the Call of Duty 4 team.
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Comment by 
Roychez - 5 mon
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Please let us hear your oppinion on this matter, wether it's pro or con! Keep it clean though ;)
Comment by 
Sainted - 5 mon
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Posting pornography on a website visited by people of any age is disrespectful and could get CB in legal trouble as well, so in my opinion this ban is deserved.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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Please read the whole post. I cite: "The part of "Also posted pornographic pictures" got removed, "because of a mix up his ban also mentioned porno for a little while, but that's been fixed and it never had any effect on the decision", an admin explained on the ClanBase forums."
The pornography isn't the problem, it's Mick being offensive towards admins and the way Dignitas got their forfeit loss. Add to that the unprofessional behaviour of the CB staff.
:D
The pornography isn't the problem, it's Mick being offensive towards admins and the way Dignitas got their forfeit loss. Add to that the unprofessional behaviour of the CB staff.
:D
Comment by Sainted - 5 mon
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Well I know some guy called Mick posted the pictures (Seen them :P), so CB probably deleted the comment quickly without verifying if the profile was indeed of the Mick from team dignitas.
I don't know whether Mick really insulted other players and / or admins, but in case he did he still deserves this ban as ClanBase does not have a penalty point system like the ESL has.
My opinion in the case of insulting, surely you can "taunt" your opponents in-game, but outside of the game you should act like a true sportsman.
Regarding the Dignitas issue, when watching the Netherlands versus Italy yesterday I noticed that once a goal has been made and it counts, and the score can no longer be changed. I don't agree with the way rules are executed by ClanBase at all.
I don't know whether Mick really insulted other players and / or admins, but in case he did he still deserves this ban as ClanBase does not have a penalty point system like the ESL has.
My opinion in the case of insulting, surely you can "taunt" your opponents in-game, but outside of the game you should act like a true sportsman.
Regarding the Dignitas issue, when watching the Netherlands versus Italy yesterday I noticed that once a goal has been made and it counts, and the score can no longer be changed. I don't agree with the way rules are executed by ClanBase at all.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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You made a good point, but as far as I read all the comments, Mick was offensive to CB, but it didn't get out of hand. I feel CB just did this to stop the critism which they obviously can't handle.
Comment by kaozz - 5 mon
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hmz , about h2k having too much power in clanbase, is pretty true tho.
else they would have just cancled the match and replay it .
clanbase is getting worse and worser time someone comes up with an new league to boycott clanbase imo .
else they would have just cancled the match and replay it .
clanbase is getting worse and worser time someone comes up with an new league to boycott clanbase imo .
Comment by 
sorcherer - 5 mon
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its good he got banned bcuz he's a dick and being abusive to admins + posting porno. and its SKO his own fault not CB
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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Read comments + post. Mick did NOT post porno. Football players get abusive towards refs now & then too, because of their emotions which all human beings have. They don't get banned from the whole league either do they?
The GUID is only to proof if a player is really the player. If Dignitas proved it with an IP match, why make a big deal out of it as he clearly was the same player.
The GUID is only to proof if a player is really the player. If Dignitas proved it with an IP match, why make a big deal out of it as he clearly was the same player.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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Yes, ofcourse, but not for such a long time for so little words.
Comment by h1o - 5 mon
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Well if you look to the rules, dignitas should have gotten a default win. But if your on a 'proffesional' level like these teams are you should be able to bend the rules together or atleast talk normal. As for SpoX being a manager at H2k, that is very bad for H2k. In my oppinion another admin should have handeld this situation, because i think an own manager will always favour his team. Also H2k should have got a default loss because they could not provide the requested demo's. And Mick should just behave he should know better. But flaming cb/admins great work!
Comment by h1o - 5 mon
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maybe it was some insane new dutch player playing from SKO's house zomg!
Comment by 
kizashi - 5 mon
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ClanBase has lost his prestigious name long time ago to be honnest, this is just a shame... I totally agree with Dignitas, fnatic and MYM who are boycotting them.
Comment by xzbition - 5 mon
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About the demo's, that was a tdm war. It has nothing to do with the french sd squad they have. Intense asked demos of mnkr, because they thought he was teamkilling on purpose. So he couldnt provide the demo of vacant. Then intense tried to claim forfeit. Then the admin asked all demos of h2k, and concluded out of all demos that mnkr didnt teamkill on purpose. And then intense changed their initial reason of wanting the demo in suspicion of cheating. Which wasnt accepted by the admins as a valid reason of wanting the demo. And so no forfeit loss.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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I know, I stated it was another team of H2k. But it's the way admins tread H2k just a bit better.
And cheating is a very valid reason for asking a demo in my oppinion.
And cheating is a very valid reason for asking a demo in my oppinion.
Comment by 
jannn - 5 mon
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So if he said those words? Id like to see you being calm when you would be treated like they did in this kind of a situation. Dont really care what mick said on clanbase, admins were acting very unprofessional, all teams boycotting CB has my support.
Comment by 
zkyp - 5 mon
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2 Big clans like this could've sorted it in another way instead of flaming the admins. Emotions? Please. If you feel you are this 'professional', act like it.
Comment by 
mick - 5 mon
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Again like i stated on Tek-9 website I did not say those things =)
If i was as angry as that guy appears to be whoever fakenicked me on there, then I would of come up with something alot better then that.
Blah what do i care its only CB i just like arguements sometimes ! :D
If i was as angry as that guy appears to be whoever fakenicked me on there, then I would of come up with something alot better then that.
Blah what do i care its only CB i just like arguements sometimes ! :D
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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I pm'ed the admin for some further explainations, but most likely there won't be a lot coming from it. Hopefully CB will get their asses kicked, return all the money and either get some proper admins or just face death.
Comment by zkyp - 5 mon
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Knowing you, or used to know you, I know that I wouldn't be too surprised if you said those things, or somethings in that direction. :P If you say is true, all CB posts have the IP's logged next to posts (afaik). Your e-innocence is proven so easy. Find some higher guy in the CB hierarchy and sort it out once and for good.
Comment by jannn - 5 mon
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PMing any other admin on higher position on CB wont solve anything, they prob wont even reply.
And how can you act professional if people lame you with what they did to Mick?
And how can you act professional if people lame you with what they did to Mick?
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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By not replying on a forum but talking to them in private and in a mannerd way. I see what you mean though.
Comment by zkyp - 5 mon
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You probably need to contact someone higher than a random admin to get ip's from posts due to privacy issues. Besides this, I think they're all in the 'I don't trust cod4 supervisors'-stage still.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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It's a crime some stuff they do, not giving you the money for your EC winning for example.
Comment by SpoX - 5 mon
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What makes everybody think I'm a manager in H2k? I'm just a regular player in one of the teams. So stop writing that stuff.
And for those who are interested, I was NOT, let me repeat, NOT the one that requested Micks bann. I respect their decision concerning the EC and wish them good luck.
And for those who are interested, I was NOT, let me repeat, NOT the one that requested Micks bann. I respect their decision concerning the EC and wish them good luck.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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Editted, my fault. And indeed, you were not the one requesting the ban, but you are Cupsupervisor and thus must of made the final decision on the SKO thing, and know more about the money that is still missing.
Comment by 
Söik - 5 mon
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ClanBase as an organisation aren't really doing themselves any favors, but niether is Mick if the allegations are true. As stated above, ClanBase logs IP's so it should easily be proven, but having been a CB admin for a certain period of time I've known plenty of mistakes to happen...
I don't know the whole story, but rules never seem to be taken into context with CB. For example, sko's IP's clearly matched yet his GUID was wrong. Strictly speaking he broke a rule, but there is also evidence proving it was infact him playing. I can completely understand how annoying it must be, but on the other hand understand why the decision was made. Admins have it bred into them to follow the rules to the letter and not be lenient in any circumstance.
The rules/punishment system needs to be re-evaluated through CB in cup competitions in my opinion as decisions like this one can really make a negative impact.
As for the money ClanBase owes, rediculous. I don't think we ever received our small amount of 500 Euro's when we won the MOH EC sometime ago.
I don't know the whole story, but rules never seem to be taken into context with CB. For example, sko's IP's clearly matched yet his GUID was wrong. Strictly speaking he broke a rule, but there is also evidence proving it was infact him playing. I can completely understand how annoying it must be, but on the other hand understand why the decision was made. Admins have it bred into them to follow the rules to the letter and not be lenient in any circumstance.
The rules/punishment system needs to be re-evaluated through CB in cup competitions in my opinion as decisions like this one can really make a negative impact.
As for the money ClanBase owes, rediculous. I don't think we ever received our small amount of 500 Euro's when we won the MOH EC sometime ago.
Comment by SpoX - 5 mon
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"Things got even more shocking when it turned out that the ClanBase Call of Duty 4 Admin Robin "SpoX" de Hen is also a player of H2k in a different squad."
What makes this shocking? I think everybody knew this? This doesn't mean it gives H2k an advantage. We would have done the same to any other clan, even if Dignitas for example would wanted a forfeit win. They got the right according to the rules. And although I agree with GUIDs should be checked at the start, I had no other choice then to follow the rules from the rulebook, else a higher admin would have corrected it. Anyway, I handeld the case, which was wrong and I corrected it as can be read on CB, so linking me to be unfair against Dignitas is just bullocks tbh.
You are all blaming the admins (Chandler and me) for this, while the rules are made from above and not by us, so we are not the ones to be blamed. About the whole ban issue, I got nothing to do with, I don't know anything about it.
And about the prize money, that's the management their issue.
Hope this explains things a bit, cause some of the text which is written is just bs.
What makes this shocking? I think everybody knew this? This doesn't mean it gives H2k an advantage. We would have done the same to any other clan, even if Dignitas for example would wanted a forfeit win. They got the right according to the rules. And although I agree with GUIDs should be checked at the start, I had no other choice then to follow the rules from the rulebook, else a higher admin would have corrected it. Anyway, I handeld the case, which was wrong and I corrected it as can be read on CB, so linking me to be unfair against Dignitas is just bullocks tbh.
You are all blaming the admins (Chandler and me) for this, while the rules are made from above and not by us, so we are not the ones to be blamed. About the whole ban issue, I got nothing to do with, I don't know anything about it.
And about the prize money, that's the management their issue.
Hope this explains things a bit, cause some of the text which is written is just bs.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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Why don't H2k got a forfeit loss for not giving their demo in this match. Also why didn't you give the demo of mnkr (I believe) and it ended as "this is not important enough to give a forfeit loss over", why didn't you handle it with the GUID that way? Oh wait, yes, because it was H2k they played against.
Comment by SpoX - 5 mon
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I never saw a demo request from Dignitas their side tbh. And about mnkr's demo, the opponent wanted to check teamkills (which is a stupid reason anyway for a TDM match), we gave them all demos we had, and the admin from that cup, which wasn't me, said it was enough evidence to show it wasn't upset TK-ing. And that admin has years of experience on ClanBase.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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I heard they requested them to check for hacks. But let's not go into this matter. I for one did see the demo request from Dignitas, plaZma asked them to be precise.
Comment by SpoX - 5 mon
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Well no one from Team Dignitas contacted me about it.
And what's up with trying to blackmail me?
Posted on Clanbase:
"Please ClanBase, save your boat and get some proper, unbiased (so no employees of H2k for example) and wise admins who understand people and the game."
I've been an admin for 3 years now, the fact I'm related to H2k has absolutely nothing to do with their match. I got rules to follow and I did, so saying I'm biased or a bad admin is just bullshit.
And what's up with trying to blackmail me?
Posted on Clanbase:
"Please ClanBase, save your boat and get some proper, unbiased (so no employees of H2k for example) and wise admins who understand people and the game."
I've been an admin for 3 years now, the fact I'm related to H2k has absolutely nothing to do with their match. I got rules to follow and I did, so saying I'm biased or a bad admin is just bullshit.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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I don't see how that is blackmailing. And it's very easy to say you are not biased and that it isn't related to eachother.
But again, the ban nor the forfeit loss is my main point here, it just got me digging into it. The main point is the awful rules of ClanBase, the money that is still nowhere to be seen and the biased admins.
But again, the ban nor the forfeit loss is my main point here, it just got me digging into it. The main point is the awful rules of ClanBase, the money that is still nowhere to be seen and the biased admins.
Comment by Söik - 5 mon
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I think its easy to blame the admins when all they are there for is to administer whatever is set to them.
The same issue happens again and again throughout ClanBase and its all down to the ruling and punishment system which is donkeys years old. The way things are administered comes across biased because of it and I think SpoX and Chandler don't deserve the grievance they are receiving regardless of the links that are made.
One thing I would say is decisions are made too quickly without the whole story being unearthed. In this case, the issue with H2k's demos was overlooked before a decision was made on the outcome of the match.
Problem is, they are the point of contact, and unfortunately the higher management from ClanBase never bat an eyelid over anything like this.
Being an admin is a thankless task (most of the time), you've just got to deal with it as best you can.
The same issue happens again and again throughout ClanBase and its all down to the ruling and punishment system which is donkeys years old. The way things are administered comes across biased because of it and I think SpoX and Chandler don't deserve the grievance they are receiving regardless of the links that are made.
One thing I would say is decisions are made too quickly without the whole story being unearthed. In this case, the issue with H2k's demos was overlooked before a decision was made on the outcome of the match.
Problem is, they are the point of contact, and unfortunately the higher management from ClanBase never bat an eyelid over anything like this.
Being an admin is a thankless task (most of the time), you've just got to deal with it as best you can.
Comment by KingHarpeR - 5 mon
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When you blatantly break rules, you get punished, thats how every league works, infact thats how EVERYTHING in life works, if you don't understand that then all i have to say is, cu in jail.
Comment by Roychez - 5 mon
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But if you're proved innocent in a different way you won't get in jail.
Comment by 
phunk - 5 mon
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clanbase has always been a joke.. like, when we play a open cup war in cod1 many many years ago.
an admin kicked us out of the cup because someone didnt have his guid in clanbase, correct ofcourse.
but the thing is, he was in the same clan as them we played against.. imo why would an admin be an admin over a game he plays active in...
stupid shit clanbase.
admins shouldnt be allowed to play in w/e ladder they supervise in...
an admin kicked us out of the cup because someone didnt have his guid in clanbase, correct ofcourse.
but the thing is, he was in the same clan as them we played against.. imo why would an admin be an admin over a game he plays active in...
stupid shit clanbase.
admins shouldnt be allowed to play in w/e ladder they supervise in...
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